Not so. They're a decent plate to learn in. Granted, you have to wear a lock into them to grind straight, and they're good for just messing around with. Recommended more for practise than showing off or competitions.

Yes Primal, they're a decent plate, if you're not pushing the limitations of the hardware. There is no Royale groove on the outside edges (present in pretty much every plate Soap released after this one) so torqued grinds are an absolute arse. They feature no natural lockon, no real control and they're thin, resulting in them wearing out quicker than other plates. These plates are pretty much redundant now

these are good plates to learn on not to much tweakage in these
plates, but are good for beginners with frontsides...i took off these grindplates off my MB Tanks and put on a pair of BBKs the shoes
grab better and have more groove for less slipping.

The suck dude......trust me

These where on my scabs I had around 98-00 before I grew outta them. I liked these plates even though most don't they can take alot of damage and are great for ledges on alot of surfaces. Because since theres no groove or molding you can plant down the momentum with one shoe and with the other have the top of the plate near the bolts on the drone leg and it still slides. These plates were not intended to me anyways for like super trick use but rather the daily shoe wearer who may have an oppurtunity to get some grinding in their day

i used to have some of these on my old smoke scabs....i found the work good on curbs and ledges even tho they are thin plates....not good for rails though....but if youre careful on curbs and what not they are good enough

i got bored one day and used my friends UHFs....horrible lock-in, slow as shit, pure hell....so i thought, fuck it, how are they on hard, rocky ledges.

The ending result was BEAUTIFUL grooves for tweaking and speed....

I like these plates now ^_^

hey, guys im gettin some mb tankz off of ebay from that greedy bicth gmbus

Anyone want a brand new pair of black ones?

9/10, i'm selling them. Im sorry, i just cant flow with Originals

They are 2nd generation too.

Meaning they are quick release Originals.

(Meaning you ONLY need to take out one screw to remove them)

1st generation and 2nd generation

wow that really sucks

i like these lates alot the tweak is good and looks in nice at least thats wat i think

That would be a first. These plates suck when they're new

What's the "A" at the end of ryana stand for?

Yeah, I know. I was wondering what your last name is cause I know someone who soaps named Ryan, and his last name starts with a too.

It's Michaela. I wanted to trysoaping, so I ordered a pair of expresses. they should be here in like 1 or 2 days.

Yep. Can't wait 4 my shoes 2 get here. It looks awesome. Probably harder that it looks.

See if u can go to XW Friday with other people. Sam said he can probably go. I'll go 4 inline & if my soaps r here i'll bring them 2. (if i can go)

K. I've never seen NE soapers there. BTW what happend 2 yer knee.

O. So u like...have troule walking n stuff?

O. That sucks.

Do the shoes only ship on the weekend, or dring the week too?

the only good thing about these is they come in almost every color