The Expresses are pretty nice....i dunno why they always get made fun of though

They are not removeable.

ya the onley way to get them off is if you saw them off

sorry bout the caps lock that was an accident.

i was wonderin if any-one know what they use to make the grind-plate stick to the shoe ?

No, I wasent thinkin bout makin my own shoes . I was just
wondering because some of my friends cemented grind-plates r coming off.

Unless it's a concrete curb with yellow or blue paint or it's made just right then you can grind with these on curbs.

Uhhh, no it wouldnt.....unless you love getting seriously hurt

The heelys torch I have obviously has these plates. I tried them out on rough concrete, and it rips them up like sandpaper, I only did it one time and there were little chunks of plastic all over the concrete so Im not doing that again. These plates lock pretty well and are not too fast either. They where directed more towards smooth coping/rails and stuff. No sandpaper like surfaces because it will just chew up the plate.

I did a full test run today on these plates. Heres my diagnostic. They do well on benches, picnic tables etc. Unfortunely on painted surfaces they leave skid marks, the original plates I remember didn't do that. I never got the chance on the railing as it had this wierd coating on them all. I did however slide these bike racks and its nice. I'm not a novice on rails but I have to re-train my feet for I haven't done this in years.

So pros
Long lasting, slide not too fast but not too slow. Can tweak tricks pretty well. They really work well on wood.
Cons
no rough surfaces, most concrete eats them up.
The glued on plate makes planting feet a little strange if your used to bolt on plates (as I am)

It's very good, grinds fast and tweaks well, but you need to wear a groove into it or else it will have the small chance of slipping out, and in wet conditions where your sole is wet as well as the rail, well, just look here

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=2992652776
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnBMu0C3Cw
or
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1625132272

So yeah, beware of flat plates

And by the way, stop bitchin about these not being as good as the Speeder plates on the Scorchers. THEY'RE ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING!

lock on? wtf was i saying, they're replaceable***

Oh yeah before anyone starts saying "if you had scorchers you wouldnt care" well, i would care if they made a removeable scorcher plate that would kick ass.

Even though they are just about the same a removeable speedster or express plate would still be fucking amazing.

Yes it would shdook.....yes it would...

And if i rememeber correctly, there WERE replacable speedster plates.....on the Quickdraws

*speedsters you mean right?

Well, according to Steve, the Quickdraw plate was a speedster with a single screwhole in the middle

It says one of the problems was it fell off during grinds.

I believe it is too....My Express has taken sooo much punishment....i think i've hit 80% more rocky ledges than i have rails with my Express...

I've hit about 500 rails since Christmas and they are hardly scratched

ive hit unwaxed and un painted curbs and ther not even chiped!but are they solid or hollow?

shdook, calm down.

And for your info, they arent hollow, if they were hollow, they would snap the instant you jumped on them (or maybe they wouldnt snap, just they wont last as long)

but im not holding it against you, you probably thought "are they light, not hollow"

and for your info is aimed at Soaper334, sorry

These and the Speedsters are DEFINETLY my favorite plates....those, and my yellow Octanes on my Septums

i have a pair of expresses, and im just a novice, but i think they work very well on everything except cement (unless its majorley waxed)

my opinion is to start out with these, then upgrade to something with a removable plate once you get more experienced.

they should make all shoes with replaceable plates, just so you have more of a variety, and you're not just stuck with one plate...plus, if you mess your plate up youd have to buy a new shoe, which would be good for soap, but not you

Well, I finally got my Ords. So, I got a chance to try out a few other plates, so, now I can give a better opinion on these.

They're really fast. Great lock in on some tricks. They're super light, and work really good on rails.
I only got a few problems. I said great lock in on SOME tricks. The V-Lock is great for untweaked trick. But, any tweak on the narrow part can be a bitch. Also, these are abseloute crap on ledges. DOn't grind them unless you're getting a groove into your plate, also, ask around before you do, to avoid ruining the plate.

Overall, I'd say they're good if your a rail person, but if you like to just get some soaping around town while doing daily stuff, watch it, or you'll tear up your plates.

First, they're my opinions. Second, I get no grind, only two inches of destruction, when grinding ledges with these.

Yes, that's because those were TORCHES. Now I wear EXPRESSES. The Torches weren't really well designed for grinding, they just look like they were.

think, think????? there is no difference!

Wait, our comments or AJ's?

i just got the heely blaze off ebay for 30 bux! they own the plate is so sick! I been reading this site for a year now and finally got my expresses!

dude wtf r u talking about that was like 2 weeks ago

if they dont come off*

ok... i like these plates, and since i knew this one guy with BBKs (damn that was a while back) and i can fairly say... great lock in. A bit wobbly, though, sometimes. Maybe it's just me. Oh well. I've been on these two great GREAT rails several several times and i have not a scratch. Not one. Strange. Didn't know they would be that un-scratchable when it came to rails. They've got good slide, but some rails just don't.... do it for me. Just... little slide. I know, that was a... split opinion lol, but I mean those mellow-angled ones.

best plate they should never use anything else besides this one plate they should have only had this plate out b/c this plate is better than the one on the grails

our plates are too pro for you Heelers, so sorry

I sk8 and Blade Kain, so shut it.

I wanna see your best Heeling grinding vid and compare it to the one im making. Then let's see who's "pro"

"pro" heelers and "pro" soapers...you heelers are fucking idiots

Theres like 20 things i wanna say to that, but then you heelers will go crying to momma HSL saying that "the soapers are harassing us again..." so rather then letting out everything, i'll keep it stored in

After all the shit that has happened to me today, NOONE wants to see me explode

Right.....b/c if you explode we all die....right.....

You, and a bunch of other ppl for some reason, think that heeling is just for little kids. I could say things to you, but you don't go crying to the soap shoe company saying "the heelers are admitting how much better they are than us again".....you don't, do you? Neither would we. But since you're not in an arguing mood.......

The fact is, heeling is better than soaping. Soaping is pretty much the same thing as heeling grind-wise except for broadsides, but heelys has vert and street on their side. If you think soaping is better than heeling, let's see some tech tricks on a slab of concrete, or a 10 ft. drop in and airing out.

I just have 2 things to say....

1. You're fucking stupid.

2. Get the hell off our website

um, if I could comment on this... I feel that this is a battle between inline and skateboard. I mean, honestly thinking about it, both have their ups and downs. HSL has their trick catalogue, but Soaps allow for more aggressive grinding in places that even Heelys couldn't go into. I am a heeler myself, but I respect the Soaping community for what they have contributed to aggressive sports. I mean, honestly, who in their right mind ever thought that SHOES would be a new form of sporting.

AnthoFlex - I feel your frustration when it comes to people dissing your sport. Looking at it from our perspective, we get the same stuff, but honestly, you can't go around calling us all little kids. Most people who aggressively heel are out of high school already.

Kain - You have to remember that Soapers were here WAY before HSL, and established a WAY larger trick catalogue before we even thought of adding a wheel. Soapers will always reign out when it comes to grinds, but it isn't right to challenge someone of a different sport. Its like trying to compare a Camaro and a Mustang. Both are muscle cars, but both are completely different, especially when it comes to the support for the company.

All in all, in my opinion, one sport isn't better then the other sport. We do what we do because we like to do it, and if it varies from the other sport, well then so be it. But to compare the two, then diss on the other crowd... Seriously, thats what gives us a bad name...

Haha, since I heel, and it looks like I float, people call me Jesus... how ironic... lol

Naw, its cool man, cause I feel your pain... Whats you're YouTube, I'd like to hit it up. I support you Soapers and your grinds are AMAZING... I look up to you guys for my own practicing, as well as my fellow heelers for vert stuff... I just want, and I know this sounds fruity as hell, for us all to just get the hell along... We can learn a lot if we just pull our heads from the I'm better attitude...

So no apologies needed my friend, and keep on doin the things you do best

Its not totally you guys that piss me off. It's also HSL's attitude towards soapers. And the SSsoapshop. I've devoted the last 2 1/2 years entirely to the revival of soap (which i've done a kickass job of doing) and i STILL don't get any respect from HSL.

Not to mention the crap with the demo coming up...

well HSL isn't in charge of us. We respect soapers and the awesome grinds they can do. The reason WE get mad is b/c soapers don't respect the vert/street heelers can do. What needs to happen is someone on Team Heelys should talk to HSL about advertising new styles of soap shoes in their commercials. I mean, when HSL bought the soap shoe patent, it was the end for all the specialized plates like curb busters and BBKs. Heelys are super-popular as it is. If HSL would put in advertisements for soap shoe plates/shoes, it would be a HUGE boost in soaping popularity.

*go hit

Most, if not all, heelers know and tell ppl about soap shoes and/or own a pair.

Kain, dude, heeling is just a cheap rip-off of inlining, so grow balls, and put a pair of blades on.
And least soapers don't have to get bombed on for wearing kiddy shoes. I will admit, I've seen some heelers hit some crazy grinds, but that's it, grinds.
The little wheelie thing is pretty flamboyant, just take the wheels out and walk around with SHOES not HIGH HEELS.
Now before you want to bash us and sick your kiddy posse on us, get the facts.
Soaping is better.
Soaping attracts an older group.
And Soaping has been around longer.

Listen here you stupid high heel girly children pieces of shit, your heely scum has in fact said to HSL whining that we are making you look bad because we're talking about how heeling gets boring or whatever the subject.

So don't you DARE say that you fucking idiots don't whine to HSL, because you do.

I don't care wtf you do, whether you are on your heels looking like a moron waiting to get flamed, or pretending to be inline skaters by doing some ramp.

The MINUTE you go crying to a company saying that we are mean saying that we aren't interested in a piece of shit product, you prove yourselves to be a bunch of stupid ass posers.

Seriously, we don't need your bullshit, and we don't want it.

HSL should stop doing nothing and remaking piece of crap models such as grind this, rails, and 5-0, and do something that will actually make them money.

And Kain, HSL owns soap. Do some research kid.

Oh yeah, one last little comment.
Soaping is really in your face.

One second walking, the next, flying down a rail.

Heelys is, just pick up your heels and go, i guess. Look like your walking fast to me.

Wow, I can't believe the hate on this site...

rhinoskater30,
not everyone that heels is young. Some of the best are in their 20s, just like you guys. Sooner or later, wouldn't seeing a 20+ year old person slide across a bench or rail look not too cute? Maybe you could do a few flatland tricks after 5 days. So could I. but it took me half a year to learn all the vert I know now. idk about most ppl, but personally I don't show off for ppl that aren't interested. I only use heelys in skate parks. Like you, I want to promote soaping b/c it's cool. But yeah, I agree with you about the fun part. I would've been fine the way I was until antho went all "fuck HSL" on me.

DarkVermillion,
maybe, but isn't soaping a cheap rip-off of grinding on blades? Grow balls and put a pair of blades on. The problem is HSL fucked up their reputation by trying to pass off as a kiddie shoe. Now that we're trying to change it, everyone still sees it as a stupid kiddy shoe. Soap has the advantage there b/c they started off advertising to an older crowd. That's why I heel. To revolutionize something that wasn't even meant to be an aggressive sport. That's the challenge of it. I don't have a "kiddy posse", I mean c'mon, I'm 15. I can handle things like this on my own.

RamenRadio,
*sigh*....again with the stereotypes......
You talk about heelers as if we're all one big group. Everyone's different, and if ppl are stupid and immature enough to go whining to a company about something like that, it's just them. I could just as easily say you're pretending to be inliners by grinding down a rail, but that's not what soaping or heeling is meant to be. If you had ppl like that on your team, we could call you posers. They are working on better styles of heelys with bigger wheels and nicer grind plates, not remaking the piece of crap models with tiny wheels and no plates. I already knew about HSL owning soap. And don't call me kid......I'm just a few years younger than antho, and certainly much more mature than you.

rhinoskater30,
Well of course....if a soaper did a 3 inch grind on the edge of a bench, it would look stupid, wouldn't it? If a little kid rolled a few inches and fell, it wouldn't be impressive to me either. Obviously you haven't seen much vert.

My point is everyone misunderstands HSL and heelys. That's why we're trying to change their image. You say they're for little kids, but look at yourselves. You're little kids. If a soaper came onto heelychat.com and wanted to try heelys, he'd be welcomed onto the site with open arms. When I come onto this site, even though I think soaping is awesome, the minute I mention heelys I have a bunch of ppl trashing me. How mature is that?

And just so you know, we moved it to a new place in the forum.


Maybe you should take my advice like I said before and RESEARCH.

ugh, wasnt this stupid shit settled already?

fuck

can we please leave the bitching to the forums?

Hey Kain maybe I could see how good heelers are. That Video about the demo in Disney land actually made me respect heelys even less.
What are some good heeling video's then?

Also when I hear about people airing into grinds I don't think its cool to do it that way especially if the rail is like a foot off the ground or something.
And while I was watching the video I saw a comment that said that we don't vault or jump onto our rails we just air into them instead. And im thinking that Heelys are not meant for skatepark type tricks and airing onto a rail is a lot harder and ineffecient than jumping and vaulting.
I may not have soaps yet but i have been doing jumps, climbs, vaults, and sliding down wet handrails and walking on dry handrails hip height.

Soapdreamer,
heelys weren't originally designed for vert, that's why it's challenging to think of ways to improve it. Rolling into a coping grind is actually better than stepping into it, it's smoother. Besides....I've never seen a soaper do coping grinds....

But I see where you're coming from. I do that stuff in my evos and just take out the wheels, b/c I also do parkour, and it's fun to combine that and soaping.

RamenRadio,
......so why does Antho like express?

So?

A lot of heelers do too

My express plates are kickass. everyone hates on them because you're all too damn lazy to get a decent groove in your plates.

Do you guys need to be schooled? Where's Ryan? Tell him to show you the BiS video and pictures of his express. That'll shut you all the fuck up.

My express plates have a deep piercing groove in em

And grinding on coping on soapshoes has been done many times...its just not common because we normally do high ledges and handrails.

Just look at the Zero gravity demo video

no he doesnt

old, old, old

He even said in a fucking thread that he's retired his scams. He uses Express now.

Bro, i know wtf im talking about

Rynasty. Anywayz, if he didnt say it on a thread then he told me straight. Because i remember it clear as a bell

"Wow so much hate, you guys must really enjoy your lives" -Alexei Tajzler

Zero gravity demo

http://www.solidgrind.com/videos/zero-gravity-demo/

http://www.solidgrind.com/videos/the-big-o-four-fathers/

Watch that...

....Y-....You know what, fuck it.

I'm out.

Hey asshole, there is no age limit. It goes for everyone of all ages.

If you're so intrigued, go check out the video archive on sssoapshop.com

Chris morris himself talks about how there is no age limit for soap shoes. Kids could grind, fine, adults can grind, fine.

It's about fun, and your god damn statistics ruin it all. You say it's about fun, yet you keep ranting on and on like an idiot.

Ramen,
That's exactly what I'm saying. Soaping has no age limits. That's why I wonder why ppl think heeling has an age limit, when it's all about doing tricks and having fun. You think you guys aren't ranting on like idiots when you constantly talk about heelys being gay?

Soapdreamer,
I agree with you. That's what we all mean by heelys ruining their marketing. I'd say the same about not wanting heelys to do a soap commercial, b/c it would ruin the hopes of anyone that may have thought soaping was cool. I don't think heelys is ready for the Olympic Games yet, but idk what HSL could be up to....

heeling*

And I know what you mean. But what would you say to someone that just happened to not like soaping and came on here saying "SOAPS SUCK BALLS!!!"?

Yeah, it's happened before.

And I don't care if they do. It's not my concern about what people like and don't like man. As long as they don't diss on people like DEOS, Relate, or some other cool guys that really know what they are doing, I don't care man.

and SoapDreamer, it's not clear what the heck anyone wants anymore.


HSL one minute AIMs them at kids, the next minute people are begging Heelers to "train and train" because they want to make it the newest aggressive sport.

Ramen,
heelys started trying to switch their market aim to an aggressive sport for teens/adults about 3-4 years ago, and something like that takes a while. Obviously, it's getting closer to that, b/c the demand for skatepark styles like Evos and Torch in larger sizes are higher than they've ever been.

Ramen,
actually...I think the fats models are more comfortable and easy to walk around in, but they're crap to skate in

Ramen,
I only have 2 styles with fats wheels. I know reflex has fats wheels and no grind plates, but it's the MOST COMFORTABLE style ever b/c of a suspension system in the heel that makes it look like nike shox. We're also trying to get HSL to put that system in the aggressive models for comfort.

He explaining why he doesn't like heelys shoes.
Its much better than saying heely shoes suck.
Its says why he is unhappy with product.

With heelys though I think that no matter what you do it will feel a bit like wearing raised heel shoes instead of casual shoes.Thats just the nature of the product and you can't just go fix that without either making heelys soles mega thick throughout(NOT a good idea) Or moving the wheels (Even worse idea).
The reason soaps feel better as shoes than heelys is because Soaps uses the shoe shape and design as the arch in the foot. Where heelys cut out a hole in the shoe and put a wheels there.

And Jeez Anthro I thought you were the more calm voice of reason in these kinds of argue ments calm down.

Dude all I said was that the fat's suck

Antho,
Take a chill pill. Don't take your anger and stress out on solidgrind. Travis (I'm assuming is RamenRadio) was just trying to help. Heelys don't need to be crap for soaps to be popular. HSL can have good quality soaps AND heelys. Besides, if their heelys suck, how will they get enough money to bring soap back?

Soapdreamer,
exactly. Heelys are never going to be comfortable with the wheel it, but you need a big wheel to do vert better. Fats were more comfortable, but the loss of performance just isn't worth it. That's why I never walk further than 10 ft on my evos without taking the wheels out. Even without the wheel, soaps are still better to grind in b/c they're more comfortable without that big hole in the heel, and they're more shock absorbent.

Kain, HSL used to have money you know. Their stocks were once up at 40 dollars per stock, and went down to 6 man.

So they could have done so much a long time ago.


So many people are just disappointed because since 2003, they haven't done much at all for soap. I don't know the exact date that HSL decided to discontinue everything but express, but it's just upsetting about what they did.

Cost them a lot unfortunately :(

What about the SSSoapshop? They have been waiting so long for the new shoes to arrive.

Actually, I heard that HSL was supposed to send them more express and size 13 express.

But by all means, if you guys can send out scorchers and broadsides, that would be great too.

;D

Express? I think that's the prices.

There aren't as many sales for the smaller sizes I guess. I dunno, I don't work for soap haha

I thought you did.....
Anyway, I hope they get broadsides soon.

Travis,
idk who renny is....so....lol....
We're the ones trying to teach HSL what they need to do to now go completely down the tubes. You guys already rock at grinding.......learn some flatland/vert, and you're in lol

You got questions or comments about the prices? You talk to me

are you purposely trying to be annoying?

A little kid, like i said. And nothing more

Got nothing better to do than piss me off even more than i already am.

Me?

No no, don't get it twisted bro. I bash the stupid heelers when they attack soapers on Heelychat, or hate, or come on here and act retarded

I just have a special bond with Soap as a whole.

and its my job to do whatever it takes to bring back the good name. I've taken the role.

After trying some other plates, I have a newfound respect for the express. They are nice and speedy with great lockin and control, and they put up with some serious abuse. The thing is, I think mine may be a little defective. They are incredibly soft (hence a lot slower) compared to the other expresses my friend has. Anybody else ever run across this?

Idk about the express anymore they take abuse and everything, but they're not fast for me.I can't wait till i get my ords, then i can get replaeable plates and shit.I'm going to be only using my express for ledges, and curbs stuff like that.They don't suit me to well for rails for some reason.(Even tho i have a small groove in them already because i was grinding everything in sight yesterday.I just prefer them on ledges,curbs,and benches mostly.)But then again its all personal preference. - Joe

maybe you should wax the rail...

well if you think about it.
as long as you use the express plates. you should have decent lock-on to rails. its not like you have to go around screwing your plates up for a groove. but instead you should practice your balance on rails more.

im a beginner can anyone tell me about my plates?

yes

???

Yes, I'm curious to what the questions are

I've grinded on many a concrete ledge with my Express soaps, and they hold up very nice in my opinion. Just make sure to not do to rough of a surface.

And you don't wax the plates, you wax what you're going to grind on, if it even needs it. In most cases, they only time i've needed wax is if the rail was rusty, or the ledge was really jagged.

Buy a practice rail.

i will if i can.

Anytime

Wow!

Renny aka AnthoFlex was a little cock-jockey. Soap choosing him to resuscitate their dying scene / industry was a huge mistake.

A challenge like that requires wisdom, maturity and godlike social skills.


The story continues ...

that was quite a battle they had going on here, an all out soap/heely war. I wonder if he still wears soaps, or if he uses them

so messed up

Heheh... checked back on this... This whole thing was a conversation on heelys vs soaps. Not that the stuff surprised me or anything but still, not much stuff on the express plate you know. Just my slice of pie. (Don't hate please, no offense)

I think we know that, Even a noob like me knows when a member is gone because I mod another forum myself. I'm even friends with the admin/owner.

Not proving anything, just bragging a bit.

They're pretty good shoes. The plates are pretty fast and good for tweaked tricks. All the HSL made shoes were also really light.